Session Start (c703-dericvs.uibk.ac.at:#wsmo): Thu Mar 04 13:54:23 2004 *** Now talking in #wsmo. *** Users on #wsmo: Uwe oxel Sinu Dieter titi @Jos *** End of /NAMES list. *** Mode for channel #wsmo is "+" *** Channel #wsmo was created at Thu Mar 04 11:58:40 2004 *** Join to #wsmo completed in 0 seconds. *** holger (hlausen@blah-6687FB6.uibk.ac.at) has joined channel #wsmo hi folks Hi everybody! *** matt (matt@blah-26F597E8.nuigalway.ie) has joined channel #wsmo *** David (chatzilla@blah-1B63902F.nuigalway.ie) has joined channel #wsmo Matthew is online *** Adrian (Adrian@blah-CCEB7B7.nuigalway.ie) has joined channel #wsmo *** Eyal (Eyal@blah-66CF359.nuigalway.ie) has joined channel #wsmo hi titi, did you get my second update of the wsmx presentation About the meeting notes of last meeting: I missed the point I made last time about documents belonging to presentations to be put on the web site *** Laurentiu (Laurentiu@blah-2AC28632.nuigalway.ie) has joined channel #wsmo *** MS (chatzilla@blah-3398C507.nuigalway.ie) has joined channel #wsmo the agenda is not on the web site I can't download the activity sheet... what's the problem? 404 good one use (Link: www.wsmo.org)www.wsmo.org hi titi, did you get my second wsmx update? *** Emilia (ecimpian@blah-11C1D6E1.nuigalway.ie) has joined channel #wsmo it is a bit confusing that the first side works with http/wsmo.org and later on only (Link: www.wsmo.org...)www.wsmo.org... can that be fixed? uwe: what is url for agenda? (Link: http://www.wsmo.org/meeting_notes/Agenda%20for%2004-03-2004.htm)http://www.wsmo.org/meeting_notes/Agenda%20for%2004-03-2004.htm Eyal & Uwe: please make sure all relevant things said in the chat appear in the meeting notes of course... exact time and date for the IRS-talk again? ah! which channel was the chat again? 10:30 this was namely not the case for last chat hi, can someone check if titi is reading the chat. I have sent a newer version of wsmx presentation. would be good to get this on the website. thanks, matt yes it was, you had a addition chat-log, and the important stuff was in the notes what did you miss in there? and why don't we just open a chanel named protocol and only eyal and uwe write theri? papers belonging to presentations on web site because i type it directly into openoffice right now Uwe and Eyal did not want that because there are never comments on the notes. Again: About the meeting notes of last meeting: I missed the point I made last time about documents belonging to presentations to be put on the web site it is on the web site ok, you're right. hi titi, thanks. It is but its still missing a slide. My fault. If I send once more, could you update again? yes titi: thanks, i've just sent it to you. matt,it's on the site now wow. fast. many thanks *** Liliana (lilianac@blah-CAE145F.open.ac.uk) has joined channel #wsmo *** Liliana has left #wsmo *** Liliana (lilianac@blah-CAE145F.open.ac.uk) has joined channel #wsmo eyal: which tool do you use for validation? validator.w3.org see this: (Link: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsmo.org%2F2004%2Fd2%2Fv02%2Findex.html)http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsmo.org%2F2004%2Fd2%2Fv02%2Findex.html 46 errors So, it is simply (Link: http://validator.w3.org/check)http://validator.w3.org/check yep *** Signoff: Liliana (Quit: Trillian ((Link: http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)) *** trilluser (trillian@blah-CAE145F.open.ac.uk) has joined channel #wsmo *** trilluser has left #wsmo *** Signoff: matt (Connection reset by peer) trilluser: use /nick to identify yourself! *** matt_ (matt@blah-26F597E8.nuigalway.ie) has joined channel #wsmo *** John (John@blah-CAE145F.open.ac.uk) has joined channel #wsmo * Jos welcomes OU *** Liliana (lilianac@blah-CAE145F.open.ac.uk) has joined channel #wsmo I see OU is now also in the chat; so, I think everybody is here? yes, we got our proxy settings right finally! yes, OU, UIBK and NUIG are here ;-) I have a question to the people using the CVS Sinuhe suggested to change the directory structure any opinions? (after the break( I don't really see what the problem is Sinu, could you explain? *** Jos_ (jos@blah-6687FB6.uibk.ac.at) has joined channel #wsmo matt's back Jos the problem is wth the D3 structure at the moment is called d3-something wich is not really accuarate it is d3 case study *** Signoff: Jos (Ping timeout) and it is not only the case study but the primer then there primer and the deliverable name is d3.1 I don't think this is such a big problem otherwise, we should create a new directory and copy the stuff thats a view so........ so, do we need these entities? or is it only macros? what entities were these? different conversation App B what link is that? sorry, I interrupted you about the rdfs serialization: why use the ns_???? qualification instead of using this namespace as the default namespace in the document? eyal - do you have comments to this discussion? *** You have been marked as being away. *** You are no longer marked as being away. phonecon tomorrow at 11:00 CET? Eyal, Holger, Titi, could you please reply? fine ls sorry, didn't read, fine same number as now? will check I think the ontoprise tutorial slides subsume the DERI slides You can just point to the Ontoprise tutorial for F-Logic syntax (although it is the Ontoprise variant of F-Logic) michael I will fax you the comments from Dieter on your part so you can integrate them i know it kind-of subsumes it :) (not completely though), that's why i said my slides might not be the best In the end we will just use the syntax to be developed in D16.1 for D3.1 and D3.2.... yes, but we'll still need a tutorial (if people want it) (i'm not sure why we want it) me neither we have D3.1, which is sort-of a tutorial Can you also remove the iexpoler-specific stuff from the screenshots? agree sinu? D3.1 is now not really a tutorial It should be later on Use the math editing feature in Amaya for the complex characters I think everything all characters you have in F-Logic can be selected in Amaya D31 is not really a tutorial it is something different it explains the concepts, but doesn't take the user on a tour which in my understanding a tutorial does jos: the unicode thing is again a problem with iexplore to my understanding at least are we talking about 31 now? ? no, sorry, were talking about F-Logic writing in HTML ok sorry no, not a problem, you just have to escape; for example &1234; i was talking about the screenshots in 3.2 for example, ⇒ is the double arrow as in F-Logic example what? great jos. i always talk about ⇒ i know it by heart actually :) example for using html for writing F-Logic ok, this seems to be internal, cant de-reference ⇒ without further pointers yes, you can. It is the default html referencing for Unicode characters; every browser will de-reference See for example: (Link: http://homepage.uibk.ac.at/~c703239/New.html)http://homepage.uibk.ac.at/~c703239/New.html ok, stupid me *** oxel has left #wsmo *** oxel (Axel@blah-6687FB6.uibk.ac.at) has joined channel #wsmo see: (Link: http://www.unicode.org/charts/)http://www.unicode.org/charts/ for more unicode But I'm afraid I couldn't find the double arrow, which is used for set-valued attributes *** You have been marked as being away. *** You are no longer marked as being away. titi - i see my email with wsmx presentation has just arrived at the wsmo list after only 3 hours. please ignore it. ls oxel wrong winddow?? ;) si sorry Could everyone number the slides for the presentations? What about puuting one template on our website?? would solve it or not? yes for some people -using powerpoint- it would :) you create the Latex template based on the ppt template :-) will also usefull for the presentations in frankfurt - we should do it when we have the final logo, sinuhe could you take care? stupid question concerning security... is there something like SOAPS? no, IRC is not secure and SOAP relies on HTTP/S rotfl so, the encryption is on the http layer ok, since SOAP is on top of HTTP it can also be ontop of HTTPS there is a proposal on WS-Security, to make end-to-end security (instead of HTTPS) fine thankhs correct correct? thx jos: why do you state a true fact double ? i know it is correct :) Because your reliability has not yet been etablished here ;-) when will we have this book in the res.sem. "knowledge & belief" by hintikka :-) ? Propose it at the next research seminar i should think about it. yes Actually, there is nobody stopping you fromputting encrypted bodies in a SOAP message no, but this would put a layer in between, in the grounding but then you're off the standard or no? eyal: that's what I meant, I think so, you would have to make a prior agreement about this encryption which contradicts the WS idea (i think) you're not out of SOAP, but it's not very useful anyway right. yes, I would not recommend is why? it is just a matter on what you ground, or no? what do you mean? isn'tt this just adding an additional layer in the grounding? I'm not really aware how ws security actually works, but I would assume it is integrated, so that we don't need an additional layer... *** oxel has left #wsmo *** Signoff: David (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.52B [Mozilla rv:1.6/20040113]) *** Signoff: Laurentiu (Quit: Leaving) *** Signoff: MS (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.35 [Mozilla rv:1.5/20031007]) uwe: as usual, i'll start, ok? it's easier for me *** Signoff: Eyal (Quit: Leaving) *** Eyal (Eyal@blah-66CF359.nuigalway.ie) has joined channel #wsmo *** Sinu has left #wsmo *** Signoff: Jos_ (Quit: Trillian ((Link: http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)) *** Signoff: titi (Quit: )